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    Lightbulb Les Races De La Tunisie

    Chers marhabiens bonjour (le sujet commence a la 17eme ligne)
    D' abord malhueruseumenet certains sujets ont ete fermes pour cause de propagande comme ont precise les chers moderos qui ont prefere (et c est tant mieux et en meme temps plus raisonnable et juste)une politique d'une ouverture controlee plutot qu une ouverture totale et c'est une approche a respecter biensur

    Apres une absence de 3 mois(la deuxieme apres un autre ban de 3mois aussi)que je meritais largement
    Le forumien devient plus prudent de peur d'un autre ban pour des propos qui peuvent lui sembler normales mais negatives par d'autres vu que tout est relatif.
    Biensur qu aucun forumien ne veut etre puni
    Personellement j'avais a la fois un sentiment d agacement et de honte pour ce ban que je meritais ca rapelle le meme sentiment lorsque tu es exclu par ton prof au lycee.

    Bref passons au vif du sujet

    les races de la tunisie
    90%des tunsisiens sont de la sous race mediterranide de la race caucasoide et 10%sont de la race negroide
    1combien y a til de blonds en tunisie
    il n y pas de blonds nordiques en tunisie les quelques blonds sont des blonds mediterrannene qui sont soient des blonds d origine arabe ou amazigh ou bien proto mediterrannenens
    car le type blond existe dans le sous race mediterranide mais est different du type blond de la sous race nordique et c est normal de ne pas trouver vu qu il n y pas de type blond nordique en tunisie
    pour le nombre c est difficile a determiner a defaut de recensement
    mais prnons mon lycee mon quartier et mon entourage et les gens que j ai vu en tunisie
    je diarais que sur 100 milles il y a 4-5 blonds mediterraneens
    ce qui nous donne un chiffre de 300-400 blonds en tunisie tous de type mediterraneens arabe berbere ou proto mediterraneens ou melange entre ces 3 je crois que mon chiifre est tres proche de la realite etant donne que Tunis represente un proto-type de la tunisie

    le type blond mediterrannene est facielemet dicernible du type blond nordique

    si on regarde les celebrites (le showbiz et les footbalers)il n y en a aucun mais c'est pas representatif
    ha je me raplle qu'on peut tres vaguement inclure le presentateur de dlilek mlak malgre qui a les cheveux chatains et non jaunes mais il appartient comme les autres au facies mediterraneen cad il est nettement different physiquement et rcaialement du type blond nordique qui a une stature longue 20-30 cm plus que le presentateur
    largeur d epaules plus longue de 10-15 cm
    carrure plus remplie crane plus volumineux et plus brachycephale sans entrer dans les autres genes type de sang ton de la couleur du peau a l ombre et apres bronzage(qui apres bronzage rougit alors qu elle se brunise pour les mediterraneens etc etc)
    2combien y a t'il de noirs en tunisie
    c'est difficile a determiner sans recensement
    mais je diaris que 40%de gabes gbilli et tozeur 20%de mednine 10% de tataouine
    ce qui donne un nombre de 270-300 milles
    aussi 20%a sfax et 15%a tunis et 5-10%pour le reste des gouvernorats
    ce qui donne un total de 1mln-1,2 mln
    si on va par entourage lycee quartier et tunisiens que j ai vu dans la rue
    je dirais 2milles pour 100 milles cad 2% cependant ce n est pas reprsentatif je crois
    car en visitant gabes il y a une proprtion nettement plus importante
    aussi a sfax sur les 500 milles de sfaxiens il y a facilement plus de 50 milles
    de meme a tunis
    par contre je crois que les gouvernorats avec la moindr proprtion de noirs sont sans contestation kef et kasserine et peut etre siliana pour des raisons historiques et de migration etc etc
    par contre inutile a rappeler que la tunisie n a jamais connu le racisme ni par les bruns contre les noirs ni par les noirs contre les autres
    et les mariages mixtes et la vie communale sociable et le fait que la tunsiie est le 2eme pays au monde abolir la traite des esclaves qui sont noirs bruns ou blonds et n ont pas de relation avec la peau alors que les etats unis qui nous ont antecede ont interdit tout contact avec ou election des noirs jusuq aux annees 50 sans oublier l apartheid et le klu klux clan
    cependant en usa a defaut d effet bradley obama va devenire prsident meme s il est brun fonvce et non noir pur
    alors quand est ce que on va avoir un president noir en tunsiie pas poyr sa couleur vien sur qu on le va chosir mais pour ses competences










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    primo jetons un coup d'oeil a wikipedia sur les 2 articles suivants sur

    1comment savoir quel fut la haplogroupe de ton premier ancetre differencie il y a quelques centaines de millers d annees http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroups

    2meme chose mais pour ton first ancetre feminin car le mitochondrial chromosome ne passe que de la mere a la difference du chromosome y qui passe du pere cad ce test te permes de savoir la nature du mitochondrial chromosome de ton arrieeeeeeeeeeere grand mere maternelle de ta mere ancetre differnciee ifferncie
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mitochondrial_DNA_haplogroups

    voila ce qu on apprend du premier article

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    Haplogroup E3b (M35) Found in East Africa ( Ethiopians and Somalis), North Africa (especially Berbers and Egyptians), the Middle East, the Mediterranean (esp. Greeks, Albanians, and Italians) 
     
     
     
    Haplogroup J (M304, S6, S34, S35) 
    Haplogroup J* (minimal distribution) 
    Haplogroup J1 Associated with southern Semitic peoples and Bedouin and Southern Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula, Ethiopia , North Africa 
    Haplogroup J2 (M172) Found mainly in the Mediterranean basin (esp. Italy, Greece, and the Balkans), Turkey, Georgia, Jews, Kurds, Central Asia, South Asia, Arabs 
     
    

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    bien sur ce test nous donne la carte genetique de ton prmier ancetre q s est distingue de la masse hegemonique

    ma question est pour les mahabiens geneticiens et ethnologues est lasuiante
    on dit que la majeure partie des grecs les albanais les italiens les berberes les egyptiens les etiopiens e les somaliens sont issus d meme ancetre(avir des langue diametralement dstictes est une chose coprenable aussi avoir un physique aussi distinct est comprenable car du ax melanges)
    aussi arabes ethiopiens italiens grecs balkaniques turcs georgiens juifs kurdes centralosaiebns sud asiatqiues et arabes viennent du meme ancetre mais sont differents phsiquement et linguistiquement
    d'accord ma qestio chers marhabiens est ces populations se sont distincts par cou de melage assimilation etc etc
    cad un type e3b en se melaeant avec 10 generations de suite avec des types j devient physiquement j et eut adopter la langue des j conserver sa lanue e3b ou bien adopter une langue d un autre groupe qui resussit a faire imposer sa langue
    ma question est pour savoir ce melange les geneticiens regardent les autres 22 chomosmes dits autosomales
    ma question est comment savoir etablir une carte geneique avec un pourcentage pour chaque gene
    cad disons que... d 'abord voila l article de wikipedia en entier pour mieux realiser la question

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    Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups
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    In human genetics, Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups are haplogroups defined by differences in the non-recombining portions of DNA from the Y chromosome (called Y-DNA). 
    The Y Chromosome Consortium has established a system of defining Y-DNA haplogroups by letters A through R, with further subdivisions using numbers and lower case letters.[1]
    Y-chromosomal Adam is the name given by researchers to a theoretical male who is the most recent common patrilineal (male-lineage) ancestor of all living humans. Estimations of the date of this common ancestor have varied significantly in different studies. 
    Contents [hide]
    1 Major haplogroups 
    1.1 Table view 
    1.2 Groups A and B 
    1.3 Groups with mutation M168 (CR) 
    1.4 Groups descended from Haplogroup F (GR) 
    1.5 Groups descended from Haplogroup K (LR) 
    1.6 Groups descended from Haplogroup NO (M214) 
    1.7 Groups descended from Haplogroup P (M45) 
    2 See also 
    3 References 
    4 External links 
     
    
    [edit] Major haplogroups
    Major Y-chromosome haplogroups include:
    
    [edit] Table view
    Human Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups
     
     Y-most recent common ancestor 
    |  
     A BR  
     B CR  
     DE CF  
     D E  C F 
     G H IJ K  
     I J  L M NO P  
     N O  Q R  
                           
    
    [edit] Groups A and B
    Haplogroups A and B are only found in sub-Saharan Africa (and in populations extracted from there in modern times, primarily via Atlantic slave trade). The first to branch off was A, with defining mutation M91. All other haplogroups are summarized as BR (also referred to as YxA). 
    Haplogroup A (M91) Found in Africa, especially the Khoisan, Ethiopians (especially Beta Israel) and Nilotes 
    BR (M42, M94, M139, M299) ca. 55 ka BP 
    Haplogroup B (M60) Found in Africa, especially the Pygmies and Hadzabe 
    CR (see below) 
    [edit] Groups with mutation M168 (CR)
    Main article: Haplogroup CR (Y-DNA)
    The defining mutations separating CR (all haplogroups excepting A and B) are M168 and M294. These mutations predate the "Out of Africa" migration. The defining mutations of DE probably occurred in Northeastern Africa some 50,000 years ago. The M130 and M216 mutations that distinguish Haplogroup C from all other descendants of CR may have occurred somewhat earlier, perhaps even as early as 60,000 years ago, after the first Out of Africa migration brought Homo sapiens to the southern coast of Southwest Asia. 
    Haplogroup CF (P143) Found outside of Africa, throughout Eurasia, Oceania, and the Americas 
    Haplogroup C (M130, M216) Found in eastern Eurasia, Oceania, Japan, and North America 
    Haplogroup C1 (M8, M105, M131) Found in Japan 
    Haplogroup C2 (M38) Found in New Guinea, Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia 
    Haplogroup C3 (M217, P44) Found throughout Eurasia and North America, but especially among Mongols, Kazakhs, Tungusic peoples, Nivkhs, and Na-Dené-speaking peoples 
    Haplogroup C4 (M347) Found among the indigenous peoples in Australia 
    Haplogroup C5 (M356) Found in the Indian subcontinent 
    Haplogroup F (M89, M213) Found in Southern India, Sri Lanka, Yunnan, Korea 
    GR (see below) 
    Haplogroup DE (M1, M145, M203) ca. 50 ka 
    Haplogroup D (M174) Found in Tibet, Japan, the Andaman Islands 
    Haplogroup D1 (M15) 
    Haplogroup D2 (M55, M57, M64.1, M179, P12, P37.1, P41.1 (M359.1), 12f2.2) 
    Haplogroup D3 (P47) 
    Haplogroup E (M40, M96) Found in Africa, the Middle East, the Mediterranean 
    Haplogroup E1 (M33, M132) 
    Haplogroup E2 (M75) 
    Haplogroup E3 (P2, DYS391p) 
    Haplogroup E3a (M2) Found in Africa 
    Haplogroup E3b (M35) Found in East Africa (Ethiopians and Somalis), North Africa (especially Berbers and Egyptians), the Middle East, the Mediterranean (esp. Greeks, Albanians, and Italians) 
    [edit] Groups descended from Haplogroup F (GR)
    The groups descending from haplogroup F are found in some 90% of the world's population, but almost exclusively outside of sub-Saharan Africa. The mutation of IJ corresponds to a wave of migration out of the Middle East or Western Asia some 45 ka that subsequently spread into Europe (Cro-Magnon). Haplogroup G originated in the Middle East or Caucasus, or perhaps further east as far as Pakistan some 30 ka, and spread to Europe with the Neolithic Revolution. Haplogroup H probably occurred in India some 30-40 ka, and remains prevalent there, spreading westwards in historical times with the Roma migration. Haplogroup K probably originated in southwestern Asia and spread widely to Africa, Eurasia, Australia and the South Pacific. 
    Haplogroup G (M201) ca. 30 ka Found in many ethnic groups in Eurasia; most common in the Caucasus, the Iranian plateau, and Anatolia; in Europe mainly in Sardinia, northern Italy, northern Spain, the Tyrol, as well as Bohemia, Moravia; Britain and Norway at only 2% 
    Haplogroup G1 
    Haplogroup G2 
    Haplogroup G2a 
    Haplogroup G2a1 
    Haplogroup G2b 
    Haplogroup G2c (formerly Haplogroup G5) 
    Haplogroup G2c1 
    Haplogroup G2c1a 
    Haplogroup H (M69) Found in India, Sri Lanka 
    Haplogroup H1 
    Haplogroup H2 
    Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22) ca. 45 ka 
    Haplogroup I (M170, M258) Found in Europe and parts of the Near East 
    Haplogroup I1 (P38) 
    Haplogroup I1a Found in northern Europe 
    Haplogroup I1b Found in southeast Europe, Sardinia 
    Haplogroup J (M304, S6, S34, S35) 
    Haplogroup J* (minimal distribution) 
    Haplogroup J1 Associated with southern Semitic peoples and Bedouin and Southern Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula, Ethiopia, North Africa 
    Haplogroup J2 (M172) Found mainly in the Mediterranean basin (esp. Italy, Greece, and the Balkans), Turkey, Georgia, Jews, Kurds, Central Asia, South Asia, Arabs 
    Haplogroup K (M9) Found in New Guinea, Australia 
    LR (see below) 
    Haplogroup K1 Found in the Solomon Islands and Fiji 
    Haplogroup K2 Found in Africa (Afro-Asiatic-speaking peoples and their neighbors, such as the Fulbe), the Middle East, the Mediterranean, South Asia 
    Haplogroup K3 Found in two individuals in South Asia 
    Haplogroup K4 
    Haplogroup K5 Found in New Guinea 
    Haplogroup K6 Found in Melanesia 
    Haplogroup K7 Found in Melanesia 
    [edit] Groups descended from Haplogroup K (LR)
    Haplogroup L is mainly found in South Asia. Haplogroup M is most prevalent in Papua New Guinea. The NO haplogroup appeared ca. 35-40 ka in Central Asia. Haplogroup N probably originated in Mongolia and spread both east into Siberia and west, being the most common group found in Uralic peoples. Haplogroup O is found at its highest frequency in East Asia and Southeast Asia, with lower frequencies in the South Pacific, Central Asia, and South Asia. Haplogroup P gave rise to groups Q and R, and is rarely found in its undifferentiated stage. It probably originated in Central Asia or the Altai region. Haplogroup Q also originated in Central Asia, migrating east to North America. 
    Haplogroup L (M20) Found in South Asia, Central Asia, Southwest Asia, the Mediterranean 
    Haplogroup L1 
    Haplogroup L2 
    Haplogroup L3 
    Haplogroup M (M4) Found in New Guinea and Melanesia 
    Haplogroup M1 
    Haplogroup M2 
    Haplogroup NO (M214) 35-40 ka (minimal distribution) 
    Haplogroup N (LLY22g, M231) Found in northernmost Eurasia, especially among the Uralic peoples 
    Haplogroup O (M175) Found in East Asia, Southeast Asia, the South Pacific 
    Haplogroup P (M45) (minimal distribution) 
    Haplogroup Q (MEH2, M242, P36) Found in Siberia, Americas 
    Haplogroup R (M207, M306) Found in Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia 
    [edit] Groups descended from Haplogroup NO (M214)
    The NO haplogroup appeared ca. 35-40 ka in Central Asia. Haplogroup N probably originated in Mongolia and spread both east into Siberia and west, being the most common group found in Uralic peoples. Haplogroup O is found at its highest frequency in East Asia and Southeast Asia, with lower frequencies in the South Pacific, Central Asia, and South Asia. 
    Haplogroup NO (M214) 35-40 ka (minimal distribution) 
    Haplogroup N (LLY22g, M231) Found in northernmost Eurasia, especially among the Uralic peoples 
    Haplogroup N1 
    Haplogroup N2 
    Haplogroup N3 
    Haplogroup O (M175) Found in East Asia, Southeast Asia, the South Pacific 
    Haplogroup O1 (MSY2.2) Found in eastern and southern China, Taiwan, and Southeast Asia, especially among Austronesian and Tai-Kadai peoples 
    Haplogroup O2 (P31, M268) 
    Haplogroup O2a (M95) Found in Japan, southern China, Southeast Asia, and the Indian subcontinent, especially among Austro-Asiatic peoples, Tai-Kadai peoples, Malays, and Indonesians 
    Haplogroup O2b (SRY465, M176) Found in Japan, Korea, Manchuria, and Southeast Asia 
    Haplogroup O3 (M122) Found throughout East Asia, Southeast Asia, and Austronesia 
    [edit] Groups descended from Haplogroup P (M45)
    Haplogroup Q is a branch of haplogroup P (M45). It is believed to have arisen in Siberia approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. Haplogroup Q is closely related to haplogroup R (M207), as both Groups Q and R share a common marker (M45). 
    Haplogroup Q (MEH2, M242, P36) M242 found amongst all Q subgroups in addition to the additional markers listed after each subclade (Occurred ~15,000-20,000 years ago. Found in Asia and the Americas) 
    Haplogroup Q* 
    Haplogroup Q1 (M120, N14) 
    Haplogroup Q1* 
    Haplogroup Q1a (M378) 
    Haplogroup Q2 (M25, M143) 
    Haplogroup Q3 (M3) Found in North America, Central America, and South America. 
    Haplogroup Q3* 
    Haplogroup Q3a (M19) 
    Haplogroup Q3b (M194) 
    Haplogroup Q3c (M199) 
    Haplogroup Q4 (P48) 
    Haplogroup Q5 (M323) 
    Haplogroup Q5 or Q7 (SS4BP: presently found in India only) BMC Evolutionary Biology 2007 
    Haplogroup Q6 (M346) 
    The bulk of Haplogroup R is represented in lineages R1a and R1b. R1a likely originated in the Eurasian Steppes, and is associated with the Kurgan culture and Proto-Indo-European expansion. It is primarily found in Central Asia, South Asia, and the Slavic peoples of Eastern Europe. R1b originated prior to or during the last glaciation, when it was concentrated in refugia in southern Europe; it is also found sparsely distributed among various peoples of Asia and Africa. Some form of R1b, perhaps R1b1* (P25), probably migrated westward to populate Western Europe around 35,000 ybp.[citation needed] Its subclade R1b1c (M269) is the haplogroup that is most commonly found among modern European populations, especially those of Western Europe. 
    Haplogroup R1 (M173) Found in Europe, West Asia 
    Haplogroup R1a (M17) Found in Central Asia, India, Sri Lanka, Central, Northern and Eastern Europe 
    Haplogroup R1b (M343) Found in Western Europe, West Asia, Xinjiang, Egypt, and northern Cameroon 
    Haplogroup R2 (M124) Found in India, Sri Lanka, Caucasus, Central Asia, and Eastern Europe
    bon disons que ta carte gentique a 12%de j 5%de q1 4,8%de m43 et ainsi de suite
    comentsavoir a a lumiere de cette carte ces proportions et ta langue mere et celle de ts ancetres un par un deuis les 80 mlles ans de to prmer ancetre et ta culture e de tes ancetres e auss ton apparece ta race et cele de tes ancetres et les melages et les assimilations et le cangement de langue clture etc etc ma queston est coment savoir ton ethnie est elle la prptrion la plus grande
    et disons ainsi tu as cme la plsgrande proportion disons q234 comment savoir ce que parlaient les q234 comme langue mere et leur clure physque ethnie etc etc
    donc ma question finalement est qui sommes nous?


    comment savoir ?

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    aussi jetez un coup d oeil ici svp pour la composante maternelle
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    Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup
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    Hypothesized map of human migration based on mitochondrial DNA. 
    Another model of human migration based on Mitochondrial DNAIn human genetics, a human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup is a haplogroup defined by differences in human mitochondrial DNA. These haplogroups have led some researchers to trace the matrilineal inheritance of modern humans back to human origins in Africa and the subsequent spread across the globe. 
    Known haplogroups are assigned the following letter codes: A, B, C, CZ, D, E, F, G, H, pre-HV, HV, I, J, pre-JT, JT, K, L0, L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, L6, L7, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, UK, V, W, X, Y, and Z.
    The woman at the root of all these groups was the most recent common matrilineal (female-lineage) ancestor of all living humans. She is commonly called Mitochondrial Eve.
    Contents [hide]
    1 Evolutionary relationship 
    1.1 L0 
    1.2 L1 and its descendants 
    1.3 Descendants of haplogroup L3 
    1.4 Descendants of haplogroup M* 
    1.5 Descendants of haplogroup N* 
    1.6 Descendants of haplogroup R 
    1.7 Table form 
    1.8 Other forms 
    2 See also 
    3 References 
    3.1 External links 
     
    
    [edit] Evolutionary relationship
    Precise evolutionary relationships between human mitochondrial haplogroups are subject to academic debate.
    [edit] L0
    Haplogroup L0 
    Haplogroup L0a [1] 
    Haplogroup L0a1 
    Haplogroup L0a2 
    Haplogroup L0d 
    Haplogroup L0f [2] 
    Haplogroup L0k [3] 
    [edit] L1 and its descendants
    Haplogroup L1 
    Haplogroup L1a 
    Haplogroup L1b [4] 
    Haplogroup L1c [5] 
    Haplogroup L1e 
    Haplogroup L2 [6] 
    Haplogroup L2a 
    Haplogroup L2b 
    Haplogroup L2c 
    Haplogroup L2c2 
    Haplogroup L2d 
    Haplogroup L2f 
    Haplogroup L3 
    Haplogroup L3a [7] 
    Haplogroup L3b [8] 
    Haplogroup L3d [9] 
    Haplogroup L3e [10] 
    Haplogroup L3e1 
    Haplogroup L3f [11] 
    Haplogroup L3h [12] 
    Haplogroup L3i [13] 
    Haplogroup L4 [14] 
    Haplogroup L5 [15] 
    Haplogroup L6 [16] 
    Haplogroup L7 [17] 
    [edit] Descendants of haplogroup L3
    Haplogroup M* 
    Haplogroup N* [18] [19] [20] 
    [edit] Descendants of haplogroup M*
    Haplogroup M1 [21] 
    Haplogroup M1a 
    Haplogroup M2 [22] 
    Haplogroup M3 [23] 
    Haplogroup M4 [24] 
    Haplogroup M5 [25] 
    Haplogroup M6 [26] 
    Haplogroup M7 [27] 
    Haplogroup M8 [28] 
    Haplogroup M9 [29] 
    Haplogroup M10 [30] 
    Haplogroup M11 [31] 
    Haplogroup M12 [32] 
    Haplogroup M21 [33] 
    Haplogroup M27 [34] 
    Haplogroup M28 [35] 
    Haplogroup M29 [36] 
    Haplogroup M31 [37] 
    Haplogroup M32 [38] 
    Haplogroup M33 [39] 
    Haplogroup M34 [40] 
    Haplogroup M35 [41] 
    Haplogroup M39 [42] 
    Haplogroup M40 [43] 
    Haplogroup CZ 
    Haplogroup C [44] 
    Haplogroup C4 
    Haplogroup Z [45] 
    Haplogroup D 
    Haplogroup E 
    Haplogroup G [46] 
    Haplogroup Q [47] 
    [edit] Descendants of haplogroup N* 
    Haplogroup N1a 
    Haplogroup N1b 
    Haplogroup N1c 
    Haplogroup N9a 
    Haplogroup A [48] 
    Haplogroup I [49] 
    Haplogroup O 
    Haplogroup R 
    Haplogroup R* [50] 
    Haplogroup R0 
    Haplogroup R0a 
    Haplogroup R1 
    Haplogroup R5 [51] 
    Haplogroup R9b [52] 
    Haplogroup S [53] 
    Haplogroup W [54] 
    Haplogroup X [55] 
    Haplogroup Y [56] 
     [edit] Descendants of haplogroup R
    Haplogroup B [57] 
    Haplogroup F [58] 
    Haplogroup pre-JT 
    Haplogroup JT 
    Haplogroup J [59] 
    Haplogroup J* 
    Haplogroup J1 
    Haplogroup J1a 
    Haplogroup J1b 
    Haplogroup J1b1 
    Haplogroup J2 
    Haplogroup J2a 
    Haplogroup J2b 
    Haplogroup T 
    Haplogroup T* 
    Haplogroup T1 [60] 
    Haplogroup T2 [61] 
    Haplogroup T3 
    Haplogroup T4 
    Haplogroup T5 
    Haplogroup P [62] 
    Haplogroup UK 
    Haplogroup U [63] 
    Haplogroup K 
    Haplogroup K1 [64] 
    Haplogroup K2 [65] 
    Haplogroup U1 
    Haplogroup U1a 
    Haplogroup U1b 
    Haplogroup U2 
    Haplogroup U2e 
    Haplogroup U3 
    Haplogroup U4 
    Haplogroup U5 
    Haplogroup U5a 
    Haplogroup U5a* 
    Haplogroup U5a1 
    Haplogroup U5a1* 
    Haplogroup U5a1a 
    Haplogroup U5b 
    Haplogroup U5b* 
    Haplogroup U5b1 
    Haplogroup U5b2 
    Haplogroup U6 
    Haplogroup U6a* 
    Haplogroup U6a1 
    Haplogroup U6b 
    Haplogroup U7 
    Haplogroup U8 
    Haplogroup pre-HV 
    Haplogroup pre-HV1 
    Haplogroup pre-HV2 
    Haplogroup HV [66] 
    Haplogroup HV* 
    Haplogroup HV1 
    Haplogroup H 
    Haplogroup H* 
    Haplogroup H1 [67] 
    Haplogroup H1* 
    Haplogroup H1a 
    Haplogroup H1a1 
    Haplogroup H1b 
    Haplogroup H1f 
    Haplogroup H2 [68] 
    Haplogroup H2* 
    Haplogroup H2a 
    Haplogroup H2a1 
    Haplogroup H2b 
    Haplogroup H3 [69] 
    Haplogroup H4 [70] 
    Haplogroup H4a 
    Haplogroup H5 [71] 
    Haplogroup H5a 
    Haplogroup H5a1 
    Haplogroup H6 [72] 
    Haplogroup H6a 
    Haplogroup H6a1 
    Haplogroup H6b 
    Haplogroup H7 [73] 
    Haplogroup H8 [74] 
    Haplogroup H9 [75] 
    Haplogroup H10 [76] 
    Haplogroup H11 [77] 
    Haplogroup H11a 
    Haplogroup H12 [78] 
    Haplogroup H13 [79] 
    Haplogroup H14 [80] 
    Haplogroup H15 [81] 
    Haplogroup H16 [82] 
    Haplogroup H21 [83] 
    Haplogroup V [84] 
     
    
    [edit] Table form
    Human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups
     
      most recent common mt-ancestor     
    L0   L1   
    L2 L3   L4 L5 L6 L7 
      M N   
    CZ D E G Q   A I O   R   S W X Y 
    C Z B F pre-HV   pre-JT P  UK 
    HV JT U K 
    H V J T 
    
    [edit] Other forms
    For a graphical depiction of haplogroup branching, see Vincent Macaulay's mtDNA haplogroup skeleton. [85]
    For information on the mutations which characterize each haplogroup, see the table of mtDNA haplogroup motifs. [86]

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    Un ami juif tunisien me disait que chez eux c'était facilité grâce aux archives rabbiniques qui permettaient de remonter loin loin loin dans la généalogie etc....

    Sinon, l'histoire de l'ADN c'est super tendu, un noir américain avait voulu connaître son origine africaine et a fait les tests : il s'est avéré que c'était un casse-tête, qu'il avait des origines d'Afrique de d'lest, du sang blanc un moment, puis tribu massaï etc...


    La généalogie s'est faite surclassée par la génétique depuis quelques années (aux USA comme par hasard lol) et ça donne des situations cocasses : un blanc de peau qui se trouve des origines africaines va demander une bourse réservée pour les élèves noirs, etc.....

    donc pour répondre à ta question, je dirais que nous, tunisiens, sommes tellement métissés qu'il est franchement pas évident de réaliser un profil type de race.

    Au fait, au fond, on a tous des arbres généalogiques inédits. Perso j'ai trop rigolé en me découvrant des origines lolesques. Mais de là à traduire ça en ADN fiouuuuuu

    PS : j'ai presque rien compris à ce que tu dis sur les chromosomes et les haplogroupes, je sais pas comment tu t'y retrouves, tu fais des schémas? :tong:
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    voila les races du monde pour avoir une source a s 'appuyer dans les discussions




    The different races are often popularly defined and named (often very inaccurately) by skin color, but as this system is based on only one genetic difference, when thousands are involved, it tends to distort the reality of race and racial differences. In the system of racial classification outlined below the names assigned to the various subspecies and races are, with a few exceptions, based on geographical regions that are, or presumably were, at or near the center of their area of evolutionary development and origin.

    Outline of Human Racial Classification:
    I. Capoid or Khoisanid Subspecies of southern Africa
    A. Khoid (Hottentot) race
    B. Sanid (Bushmen) race
    II. Congoid Subspecies of sub-Saharan Africa
    A. Central Congoid race (Geographic center and origin in the Congo river basin)
    1. Palaecongoid subrace (the Congo river basin: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Congo, Angola)
    2. Sudanid subrace (western Africa: Niger, Mali, Senegal, Guinea)
    3. Nilotid subrace (southern Sudan; the ancient Nubians were of this subrace)
    4. Kafrid or Bantid subrace (east and south Africa: Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique, Natal)
    B. Bambutid race (African Pygmies)
    C. Aethiopid race (Ethiopia, Somalia; hybridized with Caucasoids)
    III. Caucasoid or Europid Subspecies (Geographic distribution centered in the Caucasus mountains)
    A. Mediterranid race
    1. West Mediterranean or Iberid subrace (Spain, Portugal, Corsica, Sardinia, and coastal areas of Morocco and Tunisia; the Atlanto-Mediterranean peoples who expanded over much of the Atlantic coastal regions of Europe during the Mesolithic period were a branch of this subrace)
    2. East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Aegean coasts of Greece and Turkey)
    3. Dinaricized Mediterraneans (Residual mixed types resulting from the blending of Mediterranids with Dinarics, Alpines or Armenids; not a unified type, has much regional variation; predominant element [over 60%] in Sicily and southern Italy, principal element in Turkey [35%], important element in western Syria, Lebanon and central Italy, common in northern Italy. The ancient Cappadocian Mediterranean subrace of Anatolia was dinaricized during the Bronze Age [second millennium B.C.] and is a major contributor to this type in modern Turkey.)
    4. South Mediterranean or Saharid subrace (predominant in Algeria and Libya, important in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt)
    5. Orientalid or Arabid subrace (predominant in Arabia, major element from Egypt to Syria, primary in northern Sudan, important in Iraq, predominant element among the Oriental Jews)
    B. Dinaric race (predominant in western Balkans [Dinaric Mountains] and northern Italy, important in the Czech Republic, eastern and southern Switzerland, western Austria and eastern Ukraine)
    C. Alpine race (predominant element in Luxembourg, primary in Bavaria and Bohemia, important in France, Hungary, eastern and southern Switzerland)
    D. Ladogan race (named after Lake Ladoga; indigenous to Russia; includes Lappish subrace of arctic Europe)
    E. Nordish or Northern European race (various subraces in the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands and Belgium; predominant element in Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Finland and the Baltic States; majority in Austria and Russia; minority in France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary; outlined in detail in The Nordish Race)
    F. Armenid race (predominant element in Armenia, common in Syria, Lebanon and northern Iraq, primary element among the Ashkenazic Jews)
    G. Turanid race (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey)
    H. Irano-Afghan race (predominant in Iran and Afghanistan, primary element in Iraq, common [25%] in Turkey)
    I. Indic or Nordindid race (Pakistan and northern India)
    J. Dravidic race (India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka [Ceylon]; ancient stabilized Indic-Veddoid [Australoid] blend)
    IV. Australoid Subspecies
    A. Veddoid race (remnant Australoid population in central and southern India)
    B. Negritos (remnants in Malaysia and the Philippines)
    C. Melanesian race (New Guinea, Papua, Solomon Islands)
    D. Australian-Tasmanian race (Australian Aborigines)
    V. Mongoloid Subspecies
    A. Northeast Asian race (various subraces in China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan)
    B. Southeast Asian race (various subraces in Indochina, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, some partly hybridized with Australoids)
    C. Micronesian-Polynesian race (hybridized with Australoids)
    D. Ainuid race (remnants of aboriginal population in northern Japan)
    E. Tungid race (Mongolia and Siberia, Eskimos)
    F. Amerindian race (American Indians; various subraces)
    Dominant or predominant = over 60% majority
    Majority or major = 50-60% majority
    Principal or primary = 25-49% plurality; less than a majority, but most numerous racial type
    Important = 25-49% minority; not most numerous racial type
    Common = 5-25% minority
    Minor = less than 5% minority
    The diverse races of the human species outlined above all have their own geographical territory that has historically been exclusively their own, which may be referred to as their racial homeland, and is closely identified with the race that inhabits it. Between most of these exclusive homelands are clinal zones -- areas of contact between different racial territories. These racial borderlands are frequently areas of interracial contact and intermixture where adjacent races merge into one another, creating racially mixed or hybridized populations of intermediate type called racial clines. The Dravidic race of India and Sri Lanka, created by the intermixture of the local Caucasoid (Indic or Nordindid) and Australoid (Veddoid) populations, and the Aethiopid race of Ethiopia and Somalia, created by the intermixture of the local Caucasoid (Mediterranid) and Congoid races, are two very ancient racial clines -- perhaps 10,000 years old -- which have stabilized into distinct races of intermediate type. Racial clines of more recent formation, where the racial blends are not yet stabilized, include the populations of many Latin American and Caribbean countries, which were created over the last 500 years by the intermixture of various Caucasoid (mostly Mediterranid), Congoid and Amerindian elements. The population of Mexico, for example, is about 5% Caucasoid, 30% Amerindian and 65% Mestizo, the Spanish term for persons of mixed Amerindian-Caucasoid ancestry. (The same term is used in the Philippines for persons of mixed Filipino-Caucasoid ancestry.) The multiracialization of the populations of North America and, more recently, Europe, has begun to transform them into racial clines. As discussed in other essays on this site, this process of racial transformation will eventually cause the effective extinction or nonexistence of the European racial types in the affected areas unless adequate preservationist measures are taken to prevent it.



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    c'est franchement désagréable à lire et illisible. J'ai ré-écris proprement.

    merci pour l'info soit dit en passant ;)

    Outline of Human Racial Classification:

    I. Capoid or Khoisanid Subspecies of southern Africa
    A. Khoid (Hottentot) race
    B. Sanid (Bushmen) race


    II. Congoid Subspecies of sub-Saharan Africa
    A. Central Congoid race (Geographic center and origin in the Congo river basin)
    1. Palaecongoid subrace (the Congo river basin: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Congo, Angola)
    2. Sudanid subrace (western Africa: Niger, Mali, Senegal, Guinea)
    3. Nilotid subrace (southern Sudan; the ancient Nubians were of this subrace)
    4. Kafrid or Bantid subrace (east and south Africa: Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique, Natal)
    B. Bambutid race (African Pygmies)

    C. Aethiopid race (Ethiopia, Somalia; hybridized with Caucasoids)

    III. Caucasoid or Europid Subspecies (Geographic distribution centered in the Caucasus mountains)


    A. Mediterranid race

    1. West Mediterranean or Iberid subrace (Spain, Portugal, Corsica, Sardinia, and coastal areas of Morocco and Tunisia; the Atlanto-Mediterranean peoples who expanded over much of the Atlantic coastal regions of Europe during the Mesolithic period were a branch of this subrace)
    2. East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Aegean coasts of Greece and Turkey)
    3. Dinaricized Mediterraneans (Residual mixed types resulting from the blending of Mediterranids with Dinarics, Alpines or Armenids; not a unified type, has much regional variation; predominant element [over 60%] in Sicily and southern Italy, principal element in Turkey [35%], important element in western Syria, Lebanon and central Italy, common in northern Italy. The ancient Cappadocian Mediterranean subrace of Anatolia was dinaricized during the Bronze Age [second millennium B.C.] and is a major contributor to this type in modern Turkey.)
    4. South Mediterranean or Saharid subrace (predominant in Algeria and Libya, important in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt)
    5. Orientalid or Arabid subrace (predominant in Arabia, major element from Egypt to Syria, primary in northern Sudan, important in Iraq, predominant element among the Oriental Jews)
    B. Dinaric race (predominant in western Balkans [Dinaric Mountains] and northern Italy, important in the Czech Republic, eastern and southern Switzerland, western Austria and eastern Ukraine)

    C. Alpine race (predominant element in Luxembourg, primary in Bavaria and Bohemia, important in France, Hungary, eastern and southern Switzerland)

    D. Ladogan race (named after Lake Ladoga; indigenous to Russia; includes Lappish subrace of arctic Europe)

    E. Nordish or Northern European race (various subraces in the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands and Belgium; predominant element in Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Finland and the Baltic States; majority in Austria and Russia; minority in France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary; outlined in detail in The Nordish Race)

    F. Armenid race (predominant element in Armenia, common in Syria, Lebanon and northern Iraq, primary element among the Ashkenazic Jews)

    G. Turanid race (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey)

    H. Irano-Afghan race (predominant in Iran and Afghanistan, primary element in Iraq, common [25%] in Turkey)

    I. Indic or Nordindid race (Pakistan and northern India)

    J. Dravidic race (India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka [Ceylon]; ancient stabilized Indic-Veddoid [Australoid] blend)

    IV. Australoid Subspecies


    A. Veddoid race (remnant Australoid population in central and southern India)
    B. Negritos (remnants in Malaysia and the Philippines)
    C. Melanesian race (New Guinea, Papua, Solomon Islands)
    D. Australian-Tasmanian race (Australian Aborigines)

    V. Mongoloid Subspecies
    A. Northeast Asian race (various subraces in China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan)
    B. Southeast Asian race (various subraces in Indochina, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, some partly hybridized with Australoids)
    C. Micronesian-Polynesian race (hybridized with Australoids)
    D. Ainuid race (remnants of aboriginal population in northern Japan)
    E. Tungid race (Mongolia and Siberia, Eskimos)
    F. Amerindian race (American Indians; various subraces)
    Et nous on serait un mix de II.c / III.A.1 et III.A.4 ?
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    les mongoloides en tunisie

    ha avant d'oublier j ai omis de citer les mongoloides en tunisie
    sachant que quelques turcs se sont installes dans notre pays
    il est normal d avoir querlques mongoloides en tunisie
    il y en a surtout quelques uns dans un village du sahel que j ai oublie son nom
    mias bien sur du au melange avec les arabes il ne reste pas baeucoup de ces turcs mongoloides
    aux yeux asiatiques brides et a la pilosite rare
    ces turcs kipchaks qui sont lesi vrais turcs pas les dits turcs de turquie qui sont des grecs italiens cherkez chechenes bosniaques albanais islamises puis turquises par force ou indirectement par les quelques milliers d hordes turcs venus a l 11 eme siecle conquerir un pays qui comptqit deja 10 millions d habitants qui ne se sont pas evapores bien sur mais seuls ceux restes chretiens ont conserve leur langue d origine l ecrasante majorite restante ont adopte la langue de leurs conquerqnts turcs nomades mongoloides
    dont il y en a en tunisie
    dengizli boursali boughazli par exemple qui sont des grecs d origine(mais maintenant arabes car melanges a des diazaines d arabes)
    bakirli qui sont kurdes (mais maintenanat arabes car melanges a des dizaines d arabes)
    arnaout qui sont labanais mais maintennat arabes
    gorji et gorjani qui sont georgeins mais maintenant arabes
    bouchneq qyi sont bosniaques mais maintennat arabes
    voila mon histoire avec des copains turcs
    des turcs m ont invite a leur maison
    je fus surpris du fait qu a longueru de journee ils mangent des noodles chinois et des patates au beurre un cassecroute de pain au.....yaourt et des grosse saucisse de viande de cheval crue qui a une odeur insuppottable et du riz qu ils mangenet avec les mains
    mais bien sur ce sont leur coutumes et preferences culinaires qui sont si mal vues par nous
    mais on doit les regarder comme les chiens manges par les chinois et les wral reptiles manges par les saoudiens de najd cad une coutume culinaire a respecter car tout est relatif sans oublier certaines tribues africaines qui prelevent de la viande d un animal vif sans le tuer puis recoudent la plaie et ainsi de suite (comme ca on mange sans perdre l animal et ceci jusqu a sa mort ou il est completement consumme)
    j ai remarque que les turcs sont cru cad qu ils s'enervent et frappent vite et ne connaissent pas le savoir vivre et le respect que nous avons
    ensuite leurs chanosns sont de musique russe avec leur languyage turc tres dur rempli des q kh x gh qh etc etc ce qui conjugue a l odeur de la viande du cheval et les patates au beurre cru et le riz mange avec les mains et leur langue treeeeeeees dureeeeeeeeee et khcqahjopxghqqkhantante conjugues a leur yeux asiatique et leur apparences peu amicales et se souvenat des massacres qu a commis leur ancetres teymur lenk hulagu jengis khan contre les persans et la culture persane raffinee et leur expansion inouie a depnds des terres persanes
    en vue de tout ca eh ben je n ai pas eu d'impressions negatives
    il faut les voir comme ils le sont et respecter leur culture
    je les ai visite d autres fois
    j ai pu enfin m habituer a l odeur et l image des grosses saucisse de viande de cheaval cru et les patates au beurre cru mais je peux pas les manger
    cepenadant je partage avec eux le riz (mais avec la cuillere)le pain au yaourt et les noddles
    mais c est etrange comme meme qu ils mangenet tjs la meme chose car on peut comprendre que ces plats leur sont sucuclents mais meme pour leur cuisine pauvre qu on doit repecter
    car etant des gens nomades jusuq a il y a 50 ans c'est normal
    finalement je dois rappeler que ceci est valable pour les turcs kazak kirgiz et turkmene
    le seul ouzbek(appele aussi sart et sont issus du melange des persans tajik avec les turcs shaybanites) que je connais parait plus proche de nos coutumes
    d'ailleurs les ouzbeks sont connus parmi les peuples turcs pour leur musique piosite et bonne cuisine
    car a la differnce des autres turcs ils se sont dedentarises au 18 eme siecle et ont pris beaucoup de leurs voisins tajiks persans(d'ailleurs les tajiks representenet 40% de la population de l ouzbekistan)et sont majoritaires dans la region de khawarezm au sud du pays dans les villes de boukhara smaraqand termez shahrisabz et khoqand ou ils sont installes en citadins dans ces villes depuis 2 millenaires
    par contre le nord de l ouzbekistan est peuple par les nomades ouzbeks karakalpak et kazak

    bref fermons les guillemets et retournons a notre sujet
    existe ils encore des tunisiens purement mongoloides comme vestiges de l epoque otthomane
    sans oublier que ceux qui nous sont venus (les husseynides a leur tete)sont des grecs grecophones ou turquises avec quelques albanais et georgiens ?

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    POUR SAVOIR QUE C EST COMPLIQUE D AVOIR UNE CLASSIFICATION STRICTE VOICI DES IMAGES D INDIVIDUS QU ON NE PEUT PAS DEFINIRE COMME DES MIGRATIONS VU QU ILS VIVENT DANS DES ZONES RECULEES DEPUIS DES MILLIERS D ANNEES ET ONT DES PARENTS ET PROCHES APPARTENANT A D AUTRES SOUS_RACES ET ESSAYEZ DE DEVINER L'ETHNIE DE CES INDIVIDUS





























    EH BIEN CES INDIVIDUS SONT TOUS DES AFGHANS
    MAIS ILS SONT CLASSES DANS LA SOUS RACE MEDITERRANIDE ET NON NORDIQUE CAR IL Y D AUTRES CRITERES(STATURE CRANE SANG ANTIGENES OS PROTEINES ETC ETC)QUI ENTRENT EN CONSIDERATION
    LES TRAITS DE BLONDISME ET COLORATION DES YEUX BIEN QUE RARES PEUVENT ETRE TROUVES DANS LA SOUS RACE MEDITERRANIDE

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    la race mediterranide selon carleton coon le pere de l anthropologie avec cavalli

    une recherche vite fait dans le web permet de savoir que Carleton Coon avec Luigi Cavalli-Sforza est considere comme le pere de l anthropologie
    voila la race mediterranide selon Carleton Coon


    The Mediterranean's hair is usually black or dark brown, while his whiskers may reveal a few strands of red or even blond. Blond hair may be seen, but it is the exception. Its presence does not require some invasion of Goths or Scyths or the miscegenation of Crusaders. One of the characteristics of the Mediterranean race is a minority tendency toward blondism. This is seen much more frequently in the eyes, since blond hair, which appears in infants, usually darkens as the hair coarsens with age."




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    la race mediterranide selon d autres anthroplogues


    Giuseppe Sergi's much-debated book The Mediterranean Race (1901) argued that the Mediterranean race had in fact originated in Africa, and that it also included a number of dark-skinned African peoples, such as Ethiopians. Sergi's studies claimed that the Mediterraneans, the Africans and the Nordics all originated from an original Eurafrican Race.[5]. According to Sergi the Mediterranean race, the "greatest race of the world", was responsible for the great civilizations of ancient times, including those of Egypt, Persia, India, Carthage, Greece, and Rome. These Mediterranean peoples were quite distinct from the peoples of northern Europe. Sergi also argued that the Mediterranean race was closely related to a Hamitic African population, which included such groups as the Tutsi.[6] To Sergi the Semites were a branch of the Eurafricans who were closely related to the Mediterraneans.[7]
    According to Sergi, the Mediterranean race arose from primal populations in North Africa, and was related to Hamitic peoples. Sergi claimed that the Mediterraneans, the Africans and the Nordics all originated from an original "Eurafrican Race". According to Sergi the Mediterranean race, the "greatest race of the world", was responsible for the great civilisations of ancient times, including those of Egypt, Carthage, Greece and Rome. These Mediterranean peoples were quite distinct from the peoples of northern Europe. To Sergi the Semites were a branch of the Eurafricans who were closely related to the Mediterraneans.
    Sergi was strongly opposed to the use of the cephalic index to model poulation ancestry, arguing that cranial morpology was more useful.
    C. G. Seligman also stated that "it must, I think, be recognized that the Mediterranean race has actually more achievement to its credit than any other, since it is responsible for by far the greater part of Mediterranean civilization, certainly before 1000 B.C. (and probably much later), and so shaped not only the Aegean cultures, but those of Western as well as the greater part of Eastern Mediterranean lands, while the culture of their near relatives, the Hamitic pre-dynastic Egyptians, formed the basis of that of Egypt."[8]


    on y comprend entre autre que la forme du crane et l index cephalique sont des criteres de differenciation entre la race mediterranide et celle nordique bien plus importants et decesifs que d'autres criteres comme la couleur de la peau et le blondism

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    Bon je me barre, j'ai l'impression que c'est un Bot qui aligne les messages, sans réponse ni mise en forme. have fun lol
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    personnellement le mot "race" me gene
    "Non je suis un homme moi"-Belkis


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    Citation Envoyé par Rasta Voir le message
    Bon je me barre, j'ai l'impression que c'est un Bot qui aligne les messages, sans réponse ni mise en forme. have fun lol
    pkoi cher mr rasta
    vous n avez pose aucune question
    et ces donnees sont des faits

    je vais essayer de poster des plates et des cartes de repartitions genetiques des populations
    mais ce qui faut savoir
    est que malgre les apparences un sicilien est plus proche genetiquement des ethiopiens que des allemands
    ils sont les 2 mediterranides alors que les allemands sont nordiques
    et ce meme si ce sicilien est blond
    car beaucoup d autres criteres non visibles entrent en jeu
    comme la stature la forme du crane
    les proteines
    le sang
    les antiganes
    la forme des os
    etc etc

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    si, j'ai posé une qesution :
    Citation Envoyé par Rasta Voir le message
    Et nous on serait un mix de II.c / III.A.1 et III.A.4 ?
    et perso je trouve qu'on a beaucoup plus de traits négroides que ce n'est dit dans les bouquins américains -)
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